Balancing Realms: Navigating Spiritual Enlightenment and Mental Health

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Welcome, welcome to A Witch, a Mystic and A Feminist.

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The podcast, obviously, because you're listening to it from the comfort of your home or your car or while you're out jogging.

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And if you are listening to it while you're jogging, I applaud you, because I'm not a podcast girl while I run.

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So anyway, but welcome to the show.

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And today it is just the three of us, the three hosts with the most, and we are going to be discussing I'm going to caveat this mental health and spirituality, if we can stay on topic, so we might roam a little bit, but we'll try to come back to the actual subject at hand.

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So it's been a minute since it's just been the three of us, and so we thought it would just be a great episode where we just keep it OG.

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So, hi, ladies, hello.

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Yeah, we'll try and stay on topic, but we know how we are.

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Yeah, I know.

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And as I drift off topic already.

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So you were saying you know running and I definitely don't listen to podcasts when I'm running either.

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I need some very upbeat music to keep me going.

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Yes, yes, I do too.

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I've tried it.

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But I can walk with podcasts.

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I cannot run with podcasts, it's just, there's not enough.

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Oomph I guess, and it's it's funny that you say that, because I have actually switched, but I also am not running a whole lot lately, so but I have.

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I started and I think I told you, ladies, not long ago I started listening to us because you know, I've been working on trying to get like overcome listening to myself again for our podcast listeners.

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We record, we put out the episodes and I never listened to them again.

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And that is me, that is a hundred percent me.

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Like I don't want to hear myself and then think, oh, why'd you say that?

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So I'm trying to get over that.

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So actually, when I was running cause again it's 110 right now in Vegas, I'm not running a whole lot outside I switched it up to listening to the podcast and it's been.

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I find myself laughing and like, oh yeah, I remember that when we talked about like it's been great and I have what?

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Almost three seasons to listen to.

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So there's quite a few.

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I do feel like if I could just settle into a podcast when I was running, like if I could find one where I'm just like, okay, I'm just going to listen.

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Like it's a story being told.

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So then I'm thinking I need true crime.

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And then I'm like, but I don't know if I want to do that while I'm running you know running away from someone like looking around being really suspicious.

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Like I don't know if I want to do that to myself either.

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So we'll experiment.

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Like myself either.

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So we'll experiment Like all of a sudden you're on an episode about a jogger being like taken into a car while listening to.

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You know their music, because they didn't hear them approaching.

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Yeah, cause they had two headphones in instead of one.

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Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I could see that I'll experiment We'll see Maybe not true crime.

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Maybe not, but like maybe an audio book, I don't know I maybe I could try that.

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I don't know if that would work either.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if I could do books already, right, I don't know.

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How's that different than a podcast?

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I don't know, but I don't know.

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Maybe this is the episode.

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Well, I I always run with one air pod in or one ear bud in um, so that I am aware of my surroundings, and, like when I'm in Southern California, there are a lot of unhoused people, and some of them are very aggressive, and so, kind of like steering back into our topic at hand, you know there's a lot of times you walk by people and they're talking to themselves.

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Well, you know, sometimes they're on the phone too, though, but you know they're talking to themselves, or they come up to you and strike up strange conversations, and so one of the things that brought up this topic spirituality and mental health is are they in fact spiritual?

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And I mean, I strongly believe in both.

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You can have psychotic episodes, and those people definitely need the support of mental health professionals.

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I do a lot of this stuff and I've seen things that I can't unsee, but I still seek the help of mental health professionals.

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So I'm not saying everybody should stop going to mental health specialists and go seek out a spiritual coach, but just kind of wondering your guys' thoughts on that.

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It's tough and it's tough to discern, sometimes too right, I know we've mentioned it when we do pre-interviews for the show, when we bring guests on, and we do really try to suss out the situation and see if there's a vibe, see if we're clicking, but also to make sure that, like, it's not spiritual psychosis, right, it's not.

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And that's it's challenging because we're all human and you know I find it hard to say, well, who's to say what you believe isn't true to you, right, and what I believe isn't true to me, and it makes you act a little bit different.

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You're out talking to yourself in public Well, okay, whatever, is that harmful, not harmful, but is it true to you?

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Yes, okay, um, but are you well right?

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But am I well right?

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Like, so somebody could look at me and say is she well like?

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I don't know.

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She's been going on these like tangents and she's been going off the rails.

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You know, like they.

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Somebody else could say the same thing about me.

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So it's just so challenging to really make that determination for anybody else.

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I do think if you have a grip on reality, right, I think that's one thing.

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If you're able to maintain your daily tasks, duties, whatever, you know, your I mean your daily life, the things you have to get accomplished.

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Okay, right, it's not interfering, but yeah, it's just, it's so challenging, yeah.

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I am prepping for this episode.

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You know, of course, do some research and you know what are people saying.

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What are people talking about when it comes to like spirituality, or spiritual psychosis, or spiritual delusion, and I kept going in circles because it really is when it comes down to it.

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I mean, you can talk about religion, you can talk about you know the, the vast universe and our spirit guides, and you know our lost loved ones that some of us see here, talk to there.

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It's such, it's such a huge spectrum.

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And I think for me, like I said, I was going in circles because I was like, well, you have this, but then you know, people can't see it or understand it themselves and they look at you like you might be crazy.

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But so it's just like this never ending loop of going in circles of, okay, is it bad, is it not bad?

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Very much along the lines, like you said, christy, is it harming yourself?

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Is it harming other people around you?

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How, what is the extreme you're taking it to in trying to shove it down someone's throat or say like, well, this is how it is.

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That's a good point.

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You know, I don't care what you think, this is how it is, but it's very helpful for us too.

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I mean, I kind of go back to religion, right, like there's a lot of people who preach about their religion and firmly believe in it, and then you have the atheists or the people who don't believe in, like, well, I haven't seen God, I haven't seen Jesus, I don't see these angels Like you must be crazy angels.

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Like you must be crazy, right.

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But if it's helping them emotionally, mentally, if it's helping them explore who they are, authentically finding peace, I don't care.

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If you believe that you know there's pink elephants that fly, then makes you happy because you see them, and maybe I think that's crazy.

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But if it's helping you, and that might be a bad example, but you can kind of see where I'm going with, as long as it doesn't affect me, I'm of threat to yourself or others.

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Are you almost becoming, I think, of cult leaders, right?

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Like I mean, some of them have these big beliefs that they are God or a God or a deity, and it's like, oh okay, how far are we going?

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Are you affecting other people?

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Yeah, and so with that, you know, I definitely associate that with spiritual psychosis, that they are the chosen, one kind of thing.

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And so there's a few things with spiritual psychosis.

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There's that believing that you're being attacked by aliens or dark spirits, things like that.

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But for me in my life and maybe not necessarily me, but more so my kid, so Alexis, was diagnosed as bipolar and put on medication which was just numbing them and they had no feeling, they had no nothing and really started to affect their person, who they were.

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And for those that have listened to the show before, Alexis has a lot of gifts, able to see things that most people can't see, is really tapped into the spiritual realm and was told at one point by a medium that you're not bipolar, you're just very gifted.

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And so then it was decided between Alexis, Vince and myself to take them off of the medication and started working on more spiritual ways of grounding, and I think that's a big thing when it comes to spirituality and spiritual psychosis.

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Is that grounding?

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I mean, one thing about us is we are spiritual beings living a human existence, and so it's important for us to have one foot in reality at least, and so for Alexis being able to ground and still connect but not be on medication.

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That's just numbing everything.

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So for me I have a huge problem with, in my personal experience, Alexis's psychiatrist.

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I mean it was one appointment and immediately putting them on medication that I felt was more harmful than doing good.

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I absolutely agree.

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I was going to say on that point Sorry, christy, I was going to say on that point too, that I'm a firm believer in if you need some medication to help you get through, but you need to work through the issues, because it's not I don't ever feel like it's deemed for the rest of your life.

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Sometimes there might be a chemical imbalance that you will always need to take it, but you need to help get to the core issues.

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So I think the medication is great but, like you said, it was like one appointment.

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Here's your meds, okay, you know.

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Okay, well, what about the things that are going on that are causing this?

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You know therapy is needed, counseling is needed Sometimes, obviously, adjustments and medication, the type, the dosage it's a really long-term adjustment and I just I've always supported the fact that, okay, fine, you need this to help you get through, but we need to get through it.

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We need to work through whatever's happening.

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And I mean, I've been on antidepressants in the past but it was never anything that I wanted long-term, but it was never anything that I wanted long-term.

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At the time I had just had Alexis and I was also still in the process of dealing with my divorce.

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Yeah, I was divorced but I was still processing that and I definitely was depressed.

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And at that time I think that having those antidepressants to get me through that, in addition to talk therapy, was helpful.

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But to be able to get myself off of that and finding different ways to help myself, like drinking less alcohol, working out more, doing things like that to find grounding for myself.

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And that was again before.

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I found meditation and journaling and things of that nature as well.

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I'm completely opposed to medication, but seeing my kid and the effects of that and also I mean the physical effects of it the kid was tired all the time, breaking out completely, yeah, and had more thoughts of suicide than they had prior to that.

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Right, yeah, I was going to say I think the support right Like the example you just shared is there was support for alternative options.

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Right, it wasn't just medication.

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Like you are bipolar, you will take your meds for the rest of your life.

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You know what I mean.

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Right, it was like like we'll try this, cause you know we trust the doctor, or we we hope we can trust the doctor, and then, okay, it's not doing great, so let's look for an alternative option.

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And in that you guys discovered it wasn't, it was her spirituality.

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Right, it wasn't this diagnosis that they handed down so easily, it was her spirituality.

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And there's not a lot of room, there's not any room for that in medicine that I've seen.

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Right, right, like, there's like when you present that way, you're either crazy, right, like if you went in and said I can see ghosts, or ghosts visit me in my dreams, or like whatever you say, if you I mean the doctor's going to look at you like you're crazy and be like, uh, we probably need to get you on some meds, right, cause you're not in reality.

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And you're like, no, I am, I still go to work, I still do everything I need to do, but I just see these people or like I see these energies, or whatnot.

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So there's there's just not a lot of doctors who even will listen to that, and so then they slap you with a diagnosis and a medication and they send you on your way, which is so sad.

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And I do think that you know, having that privilege to look for other options is something that a lot of unhoused people who maybe are suffering from spiritual psychosis don't have, right, they don't have that support system, or they don't have that option to go a different route, um, or they don't want to, right, because then I can't speak for them.

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But maybe they know, like, maybe they're like I see these people, I see these energies and I'm not going to not see them.

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They're a part of my life, right?

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So I'm not going to go to the doctor, right?

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I'm just going to deal with it.

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And then it's hard to deal with and you do need support People who are telling you no, I believe you, I believe you, right, and okay, let's work through it.

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Like Jamie said, let's work through it, yeah.

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I have even found myself and I'm not one that says I see dead people or anything, but I definitely feel like I have a connection with my lost loved ones and we've talked about our spirit guides.

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I talk to them a lot, my angels.

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I even find at times talking to people that I know aren't on the same page.

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I'm hesitant because I don't want to battle with them.

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Can I prove to you that?

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You know, I talked to my mother-in-law, who passed two years ago, every day.

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You know I can't prove that to you.

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You know I talked to my mother-in-law, who passed two years ago, every day.

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You know I can't prove that to you.

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You know I talked to my spirit guy, my angel, joan.

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Like I talked to her all the time, and sometimes out loud, and Chad will be like who are you talking to?

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I'm like Joan.

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I mean, he knows, so whatever, yeah, but I don't there's.

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I find myself not wanting to discuss it because I don't want to have to prove myself and for me, knowing that in my heart and my core of my soul, I know I'm talking to them, I know I can feel their presence.

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I know that Joan is always right here with me and she guides me.

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I don't feel like I have to prove that to you.

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So I find myself withdrawing from discussing it with people.

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Almost like politics sometimes, right, like I'm not going to bring up politics with you because I don't want to have this argument.

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We're just not doing it, even when it comes to like I was born and raised Catholic, and even talking to people who just aren't religious at that time when I was, you know, not really heavy into it, but you know, that was my belief.

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I believe in Jesus Christ.

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I believe that, but you know that was my belief.

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I believe in Jesus Christ.

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I believe that.

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You know there's a God, a Bible, whatever.

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And well, how do you know?

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How do you know?

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Well, I just know.

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Like, I just know.

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This is what I believe.

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And beliefs can also change.

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We all know that.

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But I find myself withdrawing because I don't want to have to prove myself.

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And you know what.

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I don't care if you believe or not.

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This is what I feel.

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This is what helps me get through the death of my mother-in-law.

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This will help me get through the death of lost loved ones, knowing and feeling in my heart that I can still talk to them Honestly.

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That is what has been the only thing that has pulled me through, because losing these significant people in my life this is when we all started the podcast oh my God.

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I feel like I am going off on a tangent, but it was during that time where it was like I was.

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I could not accept that this was forever.

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I could not accept it.

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I haven't had a lot of deaths in my family Fortunately there've been a handful but in the last few years there's been several with friends and family, and my mother-in-law it was the hardest because it was like I can't accept that she's gone forever.

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I just can't.

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I just can't.

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Okay, I may not be able to see her, hug her, and there's certain days that are that's really hard.

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But knowing that I can talk to her, feel her presence, see her signs when she gives them to me, it gives me such peace that I don, I don't you might think we die and then we're just earth dirt, because that's what my husband has felt for a long time Like we die and we're just soil now to the earth.

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So I can't accept that and I'm not going to sit here and like, defend my, my perspective.

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If it gives me peace, if it gets me through my day to day because I miss them so much.

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This is my way of staying connected and it actually has helped me resolve a little bit of my fear with death, because I've always been fearful of death and I am in the sense of I'm worried about the people I leave, not necessarily me dying and it really has helped me.

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So I don't really care if I have to prove it to anyone.

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I don't feel like I need to.

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It helps me mentally, emotionally, um, get through every day in this journey.

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So whatever you guys all believe what you want.

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You know, maybe you believe in reincarnation.

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You might come back as a fly, I don't know.

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Like I that's, that's fine.

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That's fine, it gives you peace.

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Yeah Well, I mean, I remember Brian and I having this conversation because when we had kids I was just recently exiting Christianity, fully Right, and your kids ask you what happens when they, when we die, and my immediate instinct to shield them from any harshness of reality in life was to tell them they go to heaven, right, and I stopped.

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I had to stop myself because I didn't want to present that as the only option, cause I don't know, that's true, and because I felt like that did me harm in my childhood then, more harm than good, I guess.

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And so, you know, I told him I don't know, we don't know, nobody really knows.

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Some people think you go to heaven, some people think you're reincarnated, and so we, you know, they were really young at this point, but we kept having those conversations.

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But even Brian, who is anti-anti all the religion, he you know.

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He said I understood, like I understood in that moment, why people say like you go to heaven, right.

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Like I understood, because you don't want your kids to think it's just the end, right, like you want to give them hope that there's something after.

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And I was shocked that he felt that way, cause I'm like what I'm like.

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You are so anti.

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How do you even feel this way?

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Well, kids change you too.

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They're seeing things from their eyes, and so I could see where Brian is just like and we know Brian, so where he's sitting there saying, yeah, I understand why people say this.

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Yeah, I totally get that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then after, afterwards it was difficult because I mean not difficult we continue having conversations, even today, and then they'll ask me what I believe, and they'll ask Brian what he believes, and we'll ask them what they believe.

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And you're absolutely right, jamie, like I understand, as I stepped back from religion, I understand that people believe things that will bring them comfort, and so, especially with the afterlife right, like it brings people comfort.

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It brings people peace.

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Even with religion, even believing there is one true God, like that brings people peace.

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That brings people comfort in their everyday lives, that they have somebody that they can tell their problems to, that they can pray to, that they can confess their sins to right.

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Like there's a lot of that.

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And so, as I've healed from religion, I'm able to say, like you, okay, that brings you comfort and peace.

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I don't need to fight with that, I don't need to argue with that, I don't even need to discuss it with you.

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I know what you believe.

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You may not know what I believe, but you've made it clear and that's great.

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It brings you comfort and peace.

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I'm not going to try to disrupt that comfort and peace because ultimately, like you said, if you're not hurting anyone, then what does it matter to me?

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It doesn't affect me.

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And that's been really hard, like that's been harder to learn, like in the last because, because there's, there were pieces of me that were harmed and so, like anytime somebody would be like, oh, you go to heaven, I'd be like no, you don't, and I was like, you know, like or like, or I'd be like you don't know that and I just would want to like yell at them you don't know that, don't tell them that.

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That's probably, you know, just kind of aggressive with it and I would never say it, but I could feel it inside and I was like, oh, I need to work through that.

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So you know, that's just one little seed that I work through.

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Yeah, Well, for me, with Alexis, I never had to tell them this is what happens when you die, Because from very, very early on the kid was able to see my father-in-law, who had passed away the year before they were born.

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So you know, I never had to deal with that.

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But going back to Jamie's point of not wanting to have those discussions and things, I remember, Christy, you and I being in the backyard of a friend's house, in the backyard of a friend's house and just kind of I'll throw things out to kind of catch the vibe of the room, Be like, okay, you know, is this going to be superficial conversations or deeper conversations?

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And you know.

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So I threw out that line and then you and I just we were like, okay, we're on the same page, you know.

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But I get that because you know also, I don't want to throw my beliefs and put that down other people's throats either, you know.

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But at the same time I'm going to be my authentic self and if you ask me what I believe, I will tell you and you can believe it or not, and we can have a difference of opinion or whatever it is.

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I'm fine with that.

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I've been finding that other people aren't, you know.

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Well, yeah, I mean, that's what I was just going to say Like if somebody is coming to you to quote, have a conversation and you're like, okay, let's have a conversation, great, we're going to have a friendly conversation.

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And then their stance is no, trying to disprove what you believe or try, you know, like trying to poke holes in it.

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And that's really frustrating, right, because you're like, I'm not trying to poke holes in anything you believe, I'm just we.

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I thought we were having a friendly conversation and you've turned it into this now, like debate kind of thing, and I'm not, I'm not interested, so I'm just going to walk away.

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And then you're the rude one, right, and I'm like whatever.

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I'm the rude one then.

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Like I just don't have time for this, I don't have the energy, Like I right.

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So I need to go there.

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Okay, bye, bye, felicia.

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Yeah, I'm listening to you guys because there is a part of me, like I said, you know I'm not going to just walk up and be like this is what I believe.

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You know.

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Let's talk about this with, like, you guys, if there's a connection or you kind of feel like this is an area we can discuss this as, like you know, respectable humans, let's, let's have a discussion.

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Yeah, I am the first one to try and prove it to you when I have proof you don't believe.

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But guess what?

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Look at that.

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You know like, okay, perfect example.

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My wonderful husband, who you know again, believes we're earth dirt.

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And then we'll.

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Let's talk about my session with Jen, our medium.

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You know that was my very first reading and she's I'm writing all this stuff down and the whole pancake story, and I'm just like, and then, when it clicked with him two weeks later, I don't think he wanted to tell me why, and then he did.

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I was like, oh, do you believe me?

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Now?

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Like, come on, like, can't you understand?

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And he's like, oh, my God, he's like stop.

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So, like I said, I don't openly discuss it with everyone, but if I have something to be like, aha, right, look at that.

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But if I have something to be like aha, right, look at that.

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Well, Vince has seen things and experienced things that I haven't experienced, and you know, with the spiritual realm, and but he still has a very healthy skepticism, you know, behind him, and so there's some times where I'm like you know, that was a sign.

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And he was like you know, like we'll see a butterfly.

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And he's like no, this is like their land, just like sharks.

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You know, you go into the water if you see a shark, that's where they live, Like this is where they live.

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It's not a sign, it's fucking nature, you know, and he'll battle with me like that.

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But then, all of a sudden, he'll see something.

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He's like hey babe, um, what kind of sign is that?

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What does that mean?

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Yeah, so I get a lot of that from him, which is, which is funny, I had a um.

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I have.

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I guess I was going to ask a question, though.

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So spiritual psychosis is beliefs that have no basis in reality, right, correct?

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So really, the things we talk about on this podcast some people could say have no basis in reality, right, because maybe they're very scientific and they don't believe in any of the woo-woo stuff.

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But it's weird because even religion could be spiritual psychosis, right Christianity, catholicism.

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But because those are ingrained in our history and they've been around for so long, half, I want to say half, of at least America thinks that God is real, right, like, and so that's not psychosis anymore because there's a majority that believes it Our money says, and God we trust.

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I mean, it's ingrained in our country's history.

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Exactly, but church and state is separate.

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Okay, go ahead.

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But it isn't, but it isn't.

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Please continue, please continue.

00:27:33.976 --> 00:27:34.217
Christy.

00:27:34.217 --> 00:27:47.659
But no, I guess my point was like, really, the only reason that religion, catholicism, Christianity, those kinds of religions aren't considered spiritual psychosis by majority of people is because they are.

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They have been in our society for so long.

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Whereas, like, it's bizarre to me and I guess I'd have to look at the history of it, but it's bizarre to me that even historically, right when Christianity was first, the crusades were coming through and everything.

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I'm sure there were people that were like this is crazy, who believes this?

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And then they were killed in the crusades but it continued and it continued because there was murder and genocide, like all the things Right and in the name of God, um, and.

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But now we claim that, or half of the half the world, united States claim that as like the religion of the United States, like that is our religion.

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I just it boggles my mind.

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That's exactly why I was saying I kept going in circles, because you could say all of religion.

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I mean someone could look at you and be like, well, you're obviously, you know, experiencing spiritual psychosis because you know there is no Jesus Christ, there is no one God like whatever.

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So, yeah, it could very much be any of that, all of it, because I can't so-called and I'm air quotes prove it to you, because you need physical proof.

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Whatever that proof is, you're going to look at me like I'm crazy and this goes back to, you know, the medieval times, back to our Roman, you know Greek gods, like deities and mystics have existed, our wonderful witches in Salem.

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I mean, you can talk about all of it, all of it, and anyone could be deemed psychotic.

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I think our guest show will be released before this episode, but we've had guests that have talked about especially one that will have just come out that I thought I was crazy because I was seeing and hearing dead people.

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I didn't even want to talk about it because I knew that meant I had to accept it and maybe I am crazy, but, as you were saying, like Alexis, you know it wasn't necessarily a mental disorder.

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It was just this gift that they had to embrace.

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So yeah, anyways.

00:29:40.976 --> 00:29:47.026
So yeah, everyone could be crazy if you are religious or you, you know, see dead people, you see signs, you everyone could be crazy if you are religious or you see dead people.

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You see signs Everyone could be deemed crazy, Believe in afterlife.

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Well, I mean, you can even talk religion and history, we talk about everything in our history books, but it's just one person's side, it's just one side's side.

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Is that in fact fact?

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I mean, you know, a lot of people will go back to history books and say, well, this is fact because this is in the history books, kind of thing, and it's like, but that's just one side of a story.

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Yeah, exactly so that's my thoughts, but.

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I love these kinds of conversations, like you know, when the three of us sit here and talk like this, because it's I love, conversations that make me think outside of what we've been told all of our lives.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Exactly, we've been conditioned.

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Yeah, yeah, well, thank you, ladies.

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I enjoyed the conversation and I hope that you all did too.

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We mostly stayed on topic, so you're welcome you all did too.

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We mostly stayed on topic Um, so you're welcome and maybe, maybe next time is just the three of us.

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