Navigating Life's Turning Points: Ray Catania's Story of His Near Death Experience and Spiritual Path

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Hello Podcast Land and welcome to this week's episode of A Witch, a Mystic and a Feminist with your host, Marlena Christine.

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Jamie, don't worry, I kind of blanked on our names.

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Today we are joined by Ray Catania, an award-winning author of two brilliant books, the Atheist and the Afterlife, and you Are Still Alive.

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Now Act Like it.

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Ray is an intuitive who teaches spirituality and metaphysics and is an NDE survivor.

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Is that correct, Ray?

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Nde survivor, okay, which also, for those of you that don't know is is near death experience.

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So welcome to the show, ray.

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We are very excited to chat with you today.

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Well, I am honored to be with you all today.

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Thank you so much.

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I really appreciate you having me here.

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Yes, Thank you, Ray yeah.

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Thank you, thank you.

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So your first book, the Atheist and the Afterlife, is an autobiography, correct?

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Yes, yes.

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Okay, it was kind of supposed to be one and done, but it didn't quite work out that way.

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I had too much to tell at the end.

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Well, okay, so I've been reading that book and it is super fascinating, and one of the things that I would like to kind of dive into real quick is your near-death experience, because I find it fascinating If you could discuss your near-death experience for us.

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That would be great.

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Sure.

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So I was 20 years old and I was still living at home with my parents and, as you probably read in the book, that wasn't really a pleasant childhood.

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It was a lot of trauma, drama, et cetera.

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When I was 20, I was still living with them and my bedroom was located on the second floor Downstairs.

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Directly beneath me was the kitchen, and what had happened was the stove ran on natural gas and there was a leak.

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So the gas was rising all night long while I was sleeping.

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No one knew, I didn't know any, no one knew.

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And in the morning my mom came down just to make breakfast, I guess as usual, and turn the stove on, and all of a sudden it was like a poof, like a big ball of flames, and it caught the wall on fire and there was smoke and everything.

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But it wasn't the smoke or the fire that was dangerous, because my father was able to put that out rather quickly, the way I hear the story with the fire, but the gas, the gas is what actually got me.

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So I hear the fire trucks coming and I hear the police cars and I'm trying to get out of bed to see what the heck is going on in my house because I don't know yet.

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And I go to get up and I find that most of my body is kind of not paralyzed but it just felt like it weighed a thousand pounds Each leg.

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It was just.

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I couldn't move them because they were so heavy.

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I couldn't get my head off the pillow and that was really scary, and I couldn't get my head off the pillow, and that was really scary and I couldn't yell and that was really scary.

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So I hear all this commotion and no one's really acknowledging that I'm up there.

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Maybe they don't even know, I don't know and I can't get out of this bed.

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So I try to grab to the edge of the bed and pull myself to the best of my ability, because I had my arms, they would work, or at least one work better than the other, and I was kind of pulling myself, inching myself along until I got to the edge and with one you know, real like pull, I kind of fell out and I tumbled out and I landed face first, right on my chin, and I knew where I hit.

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I felt the hit but there was no pain afterwards and that's kind of the really strange part, right.

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So you land on your face first and you expect pain, and then it's just not there.

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And that is because in that instant, in that moment, I was out of my body and I was in a corner of the room.

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The room was like a perfect square Imagine a perfect square.

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And I fell out on the far side of the bed so that the other side and I'm in this corner looking down at my lifeless body, and I'm not scared in this moment at all, because it actually feels euphoric.

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The feeling cannot be matched by anything that I've ever felt in my entire life.

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I mean, and I've done a lot of drugs, trust me, and nothing was this good.

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Okay so, and I don't condone the use, but at that point in time, you know, things are a little different.

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So I'm looking down at my body and there's a white light and it's a huge cone-shaped white light.

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It's like a spotlight that's on the energetic me, not the dead me, but the real me, right, and I'm kind of intertwined with the light.

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So the light and me, we become one and I'm a part of it, right?

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And then at the end of the light is a being, who, and I don't know male or female, or you know who, what or anything like that email or you know who, what or anything like that.

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But, um, they say, um, it's okay to come into the light, it's safe to come into the light, come in.

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And I, as I and I wanted to go in.

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So as I got further into the light and I got closer to this being, um, it felt more euphoric.

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It just kept getting, it kept building and building.

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So I wanted to go farther and farther into the light.

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And then, in that moment, my father, I guess they heard the thump right and they acknowledged oh my god, ray's upstairs, let's go.

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And my father came up first, kicked in the door and he scooped me up off the floor.

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And I'm watching this and I see this happening and he's distraught and he's screaming for the paramedics, he's crying, he's just emotional, and this was a guy that was never not emotional in that regard.

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The only emotion I ever saw was anger, and we didn't have a particularly good relationship by any means.

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So I think, like when I saw that, I wanted that.

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You know, that was missing from my life, that relationship with my dad, and so I asked the being if I could go back literally to.

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My intention was to experience that, because I can't remember being hugged by him, took my death for that to happen.

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So he let me go back, or she let me go back, I guess, because when I came to, I'm not in that room anymore, I'm actually downstairs.

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I'm in the living room, flat on my, and the paramedics have their you know, all their tools and stuff and they're working on me and I kind of popped up and I'm like guys, you know, what are you doing?

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What are you doing?

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I feel great.

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This is, you know, I'm good.

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I'm good, I feel wonderful because the euphoria is still flowing through me, right?

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It like it doesn't just dissipate.

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So I'm really like trying to explain to them that I'm really fine and they're like, son, you are so far from fine, you have no idea.

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So just lay there and I'm like but but did you see the light?

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Did you hear the voice?

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I mean, guys, were you here?

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And they start looking at each other like okay, what's this kid on?

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Or am I out of my mind?

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And now they're going to take me to the wrong hospital and I can't get myself out.

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So I just shut up.

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Even before that, throughout my life I was able to see energy and kind of feel energy and I just thought that was a normal thing.

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But whenever I brought it up I was told that was crazy.

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So, here I am crazy again and I just the best thing for me to do when I'm told I'm crazy is just shut the heck up and go with the flow.

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So they took me in.

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They go, bring up the truck.

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Bring up the truck Like it's a real emergency.

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I don't understand the emergency because I feel wonderful.

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So they take me away, I'm let out the next day.

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Um, so they take me away, I'm, I'm let out the next day and um, then I'm trying to process.

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You know what happened.

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So I start to explain to my parents and, coming from a Christian background, you know, just like they told me I was crazy with the energy and there's none of that and it's all nonsense.

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You're silly.

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Don't tell anybody that that never happened.

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You were not dead.

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I was like, really I wasn't dead I still got the marks

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from the pad.

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That shit hurts yeah.

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And so she was in denial and I get that.

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Now I understand, because if my kid died on my watch, I certainly would be affected deeply like that and it wasn't until the book was published, which was 2020.

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My mother I think she turned 81 or something, 82, something like that, and that's when she came to terms with it and she actually we had a heart-to-heart about it and she told me you know, you actually flatlined more than once I think it was three times, because there were multiple times in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, so but that was a really big bonding moment for she and I.

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It was really important that that happened, because we have a much better relationship today than I think we ever had really, and my father's passed, so there's no going back there.

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But I do forgive everyone because I get it now I understand why they were the way they were, because I understand why I was the way I was, coming from a household of chaos and anger.

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That's what I knew.

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That's what I understood the best right Like I could navigate chaos.

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So if I went out into the world and whether it was a job or whether it was with friends or whatever it was that I was doing.

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If there's not enough chaos, I'm going to create it, because I can navigate those waters.

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I don't know how to navigate normalcy.

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I don't understand that.

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That's not natural to me.

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Regular love, my relationships were a disaster because that's what I thought was normal work.

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To realize that I was programmed a certain way and I had to reprogram my subconscious mind and to alleviate my egoic mind so that NDE, though, that was the catalyst that started to get me to move in that direction, even though I suppressed it Because, like I said, when I told anybody, I was crazy.

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So I tried to justify it in some other way.

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So the way I justified it was that I probably fell in front of the window and it was a sunny day and the sun that was shining on me, well, that's the white light, and I had inhaled so much gas that I was hallucinating and that was the being and the voice and everything else.

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So I was able to justify it analytically and I could put it away and I could go return to atheism, which is what I thought I was.

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I didn't really, you know.

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I just wanted to rebel against whatever my parents were so.

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I was like whatever you are, I'm going in the opposite direction.

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You went the way other direction as far as I could go.

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Is there anything?

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after I do, I'll do that.

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Negative atheism.

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That's next.

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So it wasn't right away that all of a sudden you embraced this.

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You know, I had this near death experience and I have more of a purpose in life kind of situation.

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You had to still continue to go down a path and really it was like meeting your wife, right.

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That kind of opened up a lot more, which, again reading your book and I feel like I know so much about you.

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I know We've bonded.

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You're my best friend.

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I know We've bonded.

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You're my best friend.

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Yeah, I felt like I had to put those things in the book because, you know, part of overcoming everything is one of the things that I teach my own clients is you have to become whole, and when you become whole, you acknowledge your faults Everybody.

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It's easy to brag about the good things right but it's really difficult to brag about the bad things and accept them for what they are.

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And then you're whole and then you can move past them.

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So, yeah, that took a long time and after the NDE I think I told this story in the book I moved out and got my first apartment and I just thought that this was going to be great and I'm like 21, 22, we're going to have parties all the time and it's going to be awesome.

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And none of that happened, because as soon as I moved in, it was like the room was already filled with people.

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You just felt like you were being watched all the time.

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There was these energies that I could feel pushing up against my body.

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I would see lines going across the white walls because I never painted them, of course and little spirally things over here, and then my body would shake and vibrate and anything.

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The blender goes on.

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I had a PlayStation that was like my thing.

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I had to stay with that PlayStation because if I did anything else, something would happen that would scare me.

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I would hear things falling in the other room.

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The alarm would go off.

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So I must've called the maintenance guy 50 times and he keeps coming up and he's like listen, kid, there is nothing wrong with this place.

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It's in your head.

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You're effing crazy.

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Don't call me again here.

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I am crazy again.

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Right, so I can't sleep.

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That's the next thing that happens.

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The next stage I cross over, I come back.

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So obviously I bring a whole bunch of a whole crew with me and they're trying to get my attention and I'm just not, you know, acknowledging them because I'm trying to explain to them I don't believe in you, you're not real, I'm an atheist.

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Go away.

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So I start using massive amounts of drugs and alcohol to go to sleep because I can't sleep, and that started and became a problem for like 10 years.

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Um, and also during those 10 years, I think in the back of my mind, I knew that I had died, like I kind of.

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I kind of knew it, but I just wasn't ready to say it.

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Um, so I didn't fear death.

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And coming from a home of chaos, being in my young twenties, using tons of drugs and alcohol and not being afraid of death, that is just the recipe for disaster, right?

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So I put myself in the worst places that anybody could possibly put themselves in, where I could potentially die over, and that being would present himself or herself and tell me how to get out of the situation.

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And I don't know why.

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I am not special, I'm just a regular guy with a really messed up situation.

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I'm sure they're like we sent you back.

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You asked to go back, we sent you back.

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You owe us, you're not done yet.

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You have a new purpose now, right, you can't come back yet.

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You know, I had this one time.

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I was working for some shady characters and because you know, I would kind of really push the envelope, you know, up the ante and try to get closer and closer to death.

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And so it was like a late night, sit down amongst the shady characters and I didn't know half of them.

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I knew some of them and I was leaving work.

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I worked there.

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It was a bar and I worked there and I was just.

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Somebody asked me for a drink and I looked at the boss, he gave me the head and on I was like okay.

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So I poured him a drink and somebody else calls out for something else and I had to get it out of the liquor cabinet that was locked up.

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I looked for the nod.

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He goes yeah, okay.

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I said okay, I can get it.

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And I go down to get it and I hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop pop.

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And I'm staying here because I'm going to try to figure out how am I going to get the hell out of here without the shooter or shooters seeing me, and the voice says side door, side door.

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And I'm like how am I going to get to?

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I can't get there without being seen it's not possible.

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So finally I got to do something.

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So I go for it.

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I go for the side door and then just getting out that door is not good enough, because you have to make a left and go down this like long corridor I would say it's like 40, 45 feet.

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You get to the next door and then that's the fire exit to outside.

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So obviously I made it.

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But here's what's really crazy.

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Like I parked my car right outside that door and I never, ever, parked there.

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In fact, I had an assigned parking space on the other side of the building but for some reason I parked there.

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I have no idea.

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I mean now.

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I know, but I didn't know at the time.

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Yeah, and I was able to escape, I was able to get out of there.

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Crazy stuff, that kid in the ocean and you kept getting pushed out until and then, finally, you said you heard a voice that said swim sideways.

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Looking back on that now, is it the same voice.

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Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, there's no question.

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Do you think you relate it to being and I'm air quotes, you guys can't see this, but God talking to you, or more of a guardian angel or a guide?

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What do you see it as?

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I believe it's a spirit guide that kind of had my back all these times.

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Why, Again, I don't know, but I'm going to say he, for lack of a better word she is still with me.

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You know like we can communicate and I figured out as I, as I learned more about the process.

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Learn more about mediumship and other you know intuitive things and and so I learned how to get in touch and how to where he is like on my.

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I have a map in my mind and third eye and I know exactly where he's located, because everybody has their spot.

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They don't leave their spot.

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You get to learn.

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So he has his spot and I know where he is and I know how to reach him and I go to him questions all the time it's hard to communicate because guides are on a different frequency than just like the regular dead.

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We'll say right, they're easier to communicate with, but a guide is up at a higher level.

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And if we call this the third realm, we'll say the next one is the fourth, when people first cross over.

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And then the fifth is like you know, if you, I think and this is just my theory is that if you become enlightened on earth, you don't go back and do it all over again, you go to five, and that is where you can really help people, and I'm sure it's not just people, I'm sure there's other.

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You know they have a lot of work to do, I'm sure, but that's my guy and he's always been there.

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But that's my guy and he's always been there.

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Going back to your near-death experience and that conversation.

00:20:05.255 --> 00:20:20.239
Following that or more so, following like after you've learned a lot of things have you discussed with other people that have had near-death experiences, their experiences as well, Like doing comparisons and seeing you know?

00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:21.362
Oh yeah.

00:20:23.970 --> 00:20:25.012
Yeah, but it took a lot of years to find somebody.

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Remember, I was 20, so I'm going to show my age now.

00:20:27.219 --> 00:20:30.695
We didn't have computers, we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have any of that Right.

00:20:30.695 --> 00:20:39.799
So there was no place for me to go look, except if I wanted to drive to the library and look something up which I didn't really think was going to be helpful.

00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:52.652
So a lot of years went by before I took that back out of that box that I had sealed it up in and I really didn't have a reason to address it.

00:20:52.652 --> 00:21:02.759
So my first marriage I was like 30 and I had two boys immediately from that marriage, like year one, year two, boom, boom, two sons.

00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:13.178
And now my attitude has to change towards everything, because now I have a reason to live and I have a reason that I must for them.

00:21:13.798 --> 00:21:19.672
So I clean up my act, I go to rehab, I check myself in, I go back to college.

00:21:19.672 --> 00:21:25.578
After that, I complete my degree, I get a great job, I get another great job and another great job.

00:21:25.578 --> 00:21:32.926
I do well and my kids get you know everything they need Not everything they want, but everything they need.

00:21:33.126 --> 00:21:37.979
And maybe some of it Maybe some of it, we know.

00:21:45.710 --> 00:21:52.615
You can tell what I'm so but they, they changed me, like they were the catalyst that really made me change everything about myself and try to start bettering myself.

00:21:52.615 --> 00:22:11.239
That marriage fell apart very quickly, but the kids, they were still with me for a long time and you know, I had some done, some dating here and there, but it was nothing serious and I didn't want it to be serious because I didn't want to bring another woman into their lives and you know it would affect them.

00:22:11.239 --> 00:22:25.934
So I waited a very long time but then eventually they were older and I felt like they could handle it and so I went online to meet somebody could handle it, and so I went online to meet somebody.

00:22:25.954 --> 00:22:39.999
And when you do this and I'm sure none of you have ever done this, but I have had to do this and you go online and they give you examples of women that are in your area, so to try to get you to join the site right, and there were four pictures on this one particular site.

00:22:40.078 --> 00:22:41.241
I went through tons of sites.

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It was just one after another and they give you the examples and I just kept moving on, moving on, moving on.

00:22:45.300 --> 00:22:48.083
Finally, I get to this one site and the third picture down.

00:22:48.083 --> 00:22:49.390
I was like stunned.

00:22:49.390 --> 00:22:53.561
I was just like it was more than just a physical attraction.

00:22:53.561 --> 00:22:59.493
It was like I know her, she is me, she's my wife.

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I know her.

00:23:00.838 --> 00:23:12.176
So I joined the site and I sent one email.

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That's it to her.

00:23:12.958 --> 00:23:13.499
That was it.

00:23:13.499 --> 00:23:15.162
I told her I was like this is kind of funny.

00:23:16.103 --> 00:23:21.900
I said so, yeah, right, like this is really going to sound crazy, um, but uh, but you're my wife.

00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:25.075
You just don't know this yet and, by the way, my name is Ray.

00:23:25.075 --> 00:23:26.057
Would you like to get together?

00:23:26.057 --> 00:23:31.398
And I did it in a much funnier way, I even copied and pasted it and put it in a book.

00:23:31.419 --> 00:23:32.020
It's pretty funny.

00:23:32.020 --> 00:23:34.794
She thought I was completely nuts.

00:23:35.273 --> 00:23:36.516
And she said ah, you're crazy.

00:23:36.516 --> 00:23:44.976
And I said yeah, no, I know, I know, and we did meet and we are still married and we're still together and we are definitely soulmates.

00:23:44.976 --> 00:23:47.021
There's no question about that.

00:23:47.089 --> 00:23:48.252
That's a hell of a pickup line.

00:23:48.252 --> 00:23:49.215
That's a good one.

00:23:52.593 --> 00:23:52.833
I don't.

00:23:52.833 --> 00:23:54.115
I don't know if it would work.

00:23:54.415 --> 00:24:02.499
I don't recommend that one in hindsight but, you know, at the time it seemed like the right thing to do.

00:24:02.719 --> 00:24:03.481
It worked for you.

00:24:04.790 --> 00:24:07.319
But she really opened you up to spirituality.

00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:12.499
Yeah, she did so when we first started to get like serious.

00:24:12.499 --> 00:24:20.198
Um, one of the questions that I guess you ask is so you know, what are your spiritual or religious beliefs?

00:24:20.198 --> 00:24:25.244
And she had asked me that question and I was like um, what are yours?

00:24:25.244 --> 00:24:31.000
Because, I just would have said yes, that's me too.

00:24:32.030 --> 00:24:39.103
Yeah absolutely Um so, but she was smarter than that.

00:24:39.103 --> 00:24:42.559
So, um, and I said, honestly, I don't know.

00:24:42.559 --> 00:25:02.737
I said because, by this point I really don't know, I still hadn't met somebody who had an NDE to your question earlier, so I wasn't really addressing it, I was just kind of putting it off and putting it off and I said, you know, it's really been on my list of things to do is to look into this and figure out, you figure out what happened.

00:25:02.737 --> 00:25:07.058
And I didn't even tell her I don't think I had told her about the NDE just yet.

00:25:07.058 --> 00:25:09.176
It's still a very early relationship.

00:25:09.196 --> 00:25:11.972
First date I almost died, or I died.

00:25:11.972 --> 00:25:14.538
First date I did die.

00:25:14.538 --> 00:25:16.560
Sorry, nice to meet you.

00:25:16.560 --> 00:25:18.064
I see dead people.

00:25:18.064 --> 00:25:18.865
Nice to meet you.

00:25:20.810 --> 00:25:22.734
It's not a good conversation breaker.

00:25:23.195 --> 00:25:24.338
How's the salmon?

00:25:24.338 --> 00:25:25.682
I see dead people and you.

00:25:25.682 --> 00:25:32.803
So she says to me your birthday's coming up and I'm going to buy you a spiritual clearing.

00:25:32.803 --> 00:25:36.813
And I said, wonderful, what the hell is that, you know?

00:25:36.813 --> 00:25:38.057
I said, is it a massage?

00:25:38.057 --> 00:25:39.474
She goes, not at all.

00:25:39.474 --> 00:25:41.916
And I said terrific.

00:25:41.916 --> 00:25:43.593
So she goes.

00:25:43.593 --> 00:25:44.938
In fact, you don't even have to be there.

00:25:44.938 --> 00:25:45.579
It's distant.

00:25:45.579 --> 00:25:50.001
She'll call you on the phone and tell you what's going to happen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:25:50.001 --> 00:25:51.843
Okay, so we're going to have cake.

00:25:52.751 --> 00:25:54.017
I want to get something out of it.

00:25:54.017 --> 00:25:55.491
I don't believe in any of this stuff.

00:25:55.491 --> 00:25:56.271
I don't know what that is.

00:25:56.271 --> 00:26:02.278
I'm just going with the flow, because she's hot and I like her, so I'll agree to basically anything.

00:26:02.278 --> 00:26:04.480
So the clearing happens.

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:09.026
Then I'm at work and the woman calls me up who's doing it?

00:26:09.026 --> 00:26:16.259
And she says don't make any appointments, don't make any life-changing decisions for the next 48 hours and don't have any appointments today.

00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:19.171
And I was like, okay, I was very polite, I was like thank you very much.

00:26:19.171 --> 00:26:25.983
And I hung up the phone and she called me back and I think it was 90 minutes later or so and she said okay, I'm done.

00:26:25.983 --> 00:26:42.903
And she told me all the things that the chakra, that chakra, this energy, that energy, and I see this and you need to get back to this and told me a whole bunch of things that actually didn't make sense at the time, but they did weeks later and that was a big issue.

00:26:43.203 --> 00:26:50.701
So she said if you feel strange for the next 24 hours and it's really bad, just call me if you can't tolerate it.

00:26:50.701 --> 00:26:54.736
And I'm like, okay, whatever you, what do you say?

00:26:54.736 --> 00:26:57.382
All right, thank you very much.

00:26:57.382 --> 00:27:06.923
And I hung up the phone and within about 10 or 15 minutes I get up from my office chair to go to the bathroom and all of a sudden my equilibrium is just way off.

00:27:06.923 --> 00:27:11.078
You know, it's almost like you had to drink too fast and you're like Whoa.

00:27:11.078 --> 00:27:12.182
So that's the way I felt.

00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:17.919
And then I started to feel the energies again, the ones that I thought, kind of let me be.

00:27:17.919 --> 00:27:26.564
And now here they are and it's like I'm back in that apartment again and I'm repeating this whole thing all over again and I'm like son of a gun.

00:27:26.564 --> 00:27:28.911
This is just like crazy, you know.

00:27:28.911 --> 00:27:40.037
So up until that point, the energy beings that I have seen keep in mind, I never saw my guide only saw lines.

00:27:40.037 --> 00:27:42.121
It was just squiggly lines, that's it.

00:27:42.121 --> 00:27:46.233
That's the closest thing I've ever seen to anything.

00:27:46.233 --> 00:27:54.872
But after this occurrence, this is the first time I see an energy being in the form of a human.

00:27:54.872 --> 00:27:58.680
Now this really freaks me out to say the least.

00:27:59.520 --> 00:28:03.468
So the guy is now I'm not seeing this with my eyes.

00:28:03.468 --> 00:28:07.777
And when I say seeing and hearing, you guys know it's third eye stuff, right?

00:28:07.817 --> 00:28:08.819
It's all inside.

00:28:09.902 --> 00:28:11.692
I'm not hearing it, I'm not seeing it with my eyes.

00:28:11.692 --> 00:28:15.005
So it's like a movie screen that kind of opens up.

00:28:15.005 --> 00:28:31.455
I describe it inside my mind and then there'll be an actor or actors on the movie screen, but they're talking to me and in this case it was a big, husky guy and he had a beard and a mustache, thick black hair, and he says it looks me right in the eye and he says I messed up.

00:28:31.455 --> 00:28:33.353
No, I effed up is what he said.

00:28:33.353 --> 00:28:34.516
I made a mistake.

00:28:34.516 --> 00:28:35.798
You can help her.

00:28:35.798 --> 00:28:45.951
I cannot, and I'm like, looking around, anybody else hear that and nobody's reacting.

00:28:45.951 --> 00:28:47.597
So I guess I'm the only one that saw and heard that.

00:28:47.597 --> 00:28:57.872
And I continue to the trip to the bathroom and I'm just there and doing my thing and then here he is again and I'm like I'm in the bathroom, dude, he's like I F'd up, I made a mistake.

00:28:57.872 --> 00:28:58.653
You can help her.

00:28:58.653 --> 00:28:59.715
I could.

00:28:59.715 --> 00:29:11.869
He's very powerful and he's in my face, a little off center, the most closest to center I've ever experienced, which is very unusual.

00:29:12.510 --> 00:29:15.878
Um, so this continues on and on and on.

00:29:15.878 --> 00:29:18.490
I'm getting a headache and I just I don't feel well.

00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:24.592
It's a Friday and I go home from from work and I figure I got the weekend, I can rest.

00:29:24.592 --> 00:29:27.378
Maybe I'm coming down with something the next morning.

00:29:27.378 --> 00:29:34.261
However, as soon as I get out of bed, there he is again the same guy saying the same thing over and over again.

00:29:34.261 --> 00:29:36.373
It felt like every hour on the hour.

00:29:36.373 --> 00:29:38.336
He was just repeating himself.

00:29:39.438 --> 00:29:43.325
Now, now I start to think like something's really wrong here.

00:29:43.325 --> 00:29:44.713
I don't know what's going on.

00:29:44.713 --> 00:29:50.295
I don't even attribute this to spiritual clearing, because I don't even know what that is yet.

00:29:50.295 --> 00:29:52.842
I don't really even kind of I'm not putting that together.

00:29:52.842 --> 00:30:02.078
So the day goes on, it gets worse and worse, and then by Sunday it seemed like he was there every five minutes and it just would not stop.

00:30:02.078 --> 00:30:10.051
And now I can't talk to people, I can't drive well, and the breaking point was I was in the store and I was paying for my stuff.

00:30:10.051 --> 00:30:11.454
I don't know what I did.

00:30:11.454 --> 00:30:13.941
Maybe I paused, I don't know.

00:30:13.941 --> 00:30:17.032
But the lady behind the counter said sir, are you okay?

00:30:17.032 --> 00:30:18.556
And I said no.

00:30:20.398 --> 00:30:22.342
No, I'm not, I am not.

00:30:22.342 --> 00:30:41.123
And I took my card back and I went to the car and I'm like I can't believe this, like I'm really, am crazy, and and and now, uh, I just put my head down because I was like I busted my ass, I went back to school, I went into rehab, I did everything right, got a great job and it changed my whole world.

00:30:41.123 --> 00:30:43.229
And now it's gone.

00:30:43.229 --> 00:30:53.599
It's going to be gone and I started making sure I had provisions for my children, I made sure my will was in order, I made sure I had a DNR, because I am going back to that light baby.

00:30:53.599 --> 00:31:00.140
I am not coming back to this place ever and, for the record, my father never did hug me again.

00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:01.743
So I made the wrong choice.

00:31:01.743 --> 00:31:03.508
So I'm really thinking this is the end, this is the beginning of the end.

00:31:03.508 --> 00:31:03.980
My father never did hug me again, so I made the wrong choice.

00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:05.977
So I'm really thinking this is the end, this is the beginning of the end of my life.

00:31:05.977 --> 00:31:16.359
So now I've got to tell this woman that I love, because she has the right to know that she's dating a crazy guy, and I don't know how to tell her this.

00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:25.387
And what makes this even worse is that, for a living, she is a doctor of psychology and neuropsychology.

00:31:26.833 --> 00:31:29.519
Oh yeah, yep, yeah Of course she is.

00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:34.372
Of course, what else would she be so, couldn't you?

00:31:34.392 --> 00:31:35.675
be a psychiatrist.

00:31:35.736 --> 00:31:35.997
Anything.

00:31:38.605 --> 00:31:41.194
So I'm going to tell a doctor of psychology Hi, how you doing?

00:31:41.194 --> 00:31:42.708
I see dead people.

00:31:42.708 --> 00:31:43.789
How's the salmon?

00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:47.397
Yeah, she's going to go check, please, you know.

00:31:47.397 --> 00:32:02.515
But I have to tell her and I do tell her, and I explain the way it happens and how I get the vibrations first, and then I see the lines and then all of a sudden, the movie screen opens up and here's this guy I've never seen before Big, husky guy, beard, mustache, dark hair.

00:32:02.515 --> 00:32:04.590
And he says I effed up, I made a mistake.

00:32:04.590 --> 00:32:06.215
You can help her, I cannot.

00:32:06.215 --> 00:32:14.147
And she's looking like her wheels are turning, she's not scared yet and I'm just waiting for it.

00:32:14.147 --> 00:32:18.211
And she goes hmm, that sounds like my dad.

00:32:18.211 --> 00:32:21.115
And I said wait a minute, wait a minute, your dad's dead.

00:32:21.115 --> 00:32:23.278
You told me he died.

00:32:23.278 --> 00:32:26.261
Now I'm thinking you're nuts and I'm getting out of here.

00:32:27.125 --> 00:32:32.169
Check, please Do you think I'm seeing dead people?

00:32:32.169 --> 00:32:35.396
So she says, relax, you're probably a psychic medium and you don't know it.

00:32:35.396 --> 00:32:38.965
I said, what the hell is a medium?

00:32:38.965 --> 00:32:45.088
She goes I've been to plenty of mediums and my dad comes through and he's very powerful, just like you said.

00:32:45.088 --> 00:32:47.009
He's almost front and center.

00:32:47.009 --> 00:32:54.815
In fact, he made one of the greatest mediums in the world almost come to tears and I was like, well, this guy definitely has drive me to tears.

00:32:54.815 --> 00:33:01.438
But here's the thing it's not your dad, because I saw that picture that you have over the fireplace on the mantle.

00:33:01.438 --> 00:33:03.699
I saw that photo Very clearly.

00:33:03.699 --> 00:33:08.961
It does not look like that man at all and she goes well, that's a very old photo.

00:33:08.961 --> 00:33:11.042
Let me show you what he looked like before he died.

00:33:11.042 --> 00:33:16.511
And she goes through her phone and she shows me a picture and I said, holy crap, you know that guy.

00:33:16.511 --> 00:33:17.976
And she goes that's my dad.

00:33:17.976 --> 00:33:18.317
Silly.

00:33:19.025 --> 00:33:21.374
And now my heart is just like in my stomach.

00:33:21.374 --> 00:33:22.931
I don't know what to do with this now.

00:33:22.931 --> 00:33:26.275
So insanity I understand.

00:33:26.275 --> 00:33:29.574
Mediumship I have no concept of.

00:33:29.574 --> 00:33:39.726
So I almost would prefer this insanity in this moment, because it's not unknown and because I've been told that my whole life anyway.

00:33:39.726 --> 00:33:41.711
So it's just, you know, an add on.

00:33:41.711 --> 00:33:46.386
But now, what is this medium thing and what am I supposed to do with it?

00:33:46.386 --> 00:34:02.570
So she said um, before you get all you know worked up over this before, like you know, I'm not worked up or I I'm sweating Sweat's coming down on my face and she's like there's a very reputable medium that's coming to our area.

00:34:02.611 --> 00:34:03.730
She travels around.

00:34:03.730 --> 00:34:07.212
She's going to be staying in, you know, two cities away from us.

00:34:07.212 --> 00:34:08.673
I'll make us two appointments.

00:34:08.673 --> 00:34:13.976
You could go in and discuss what you see and just kind of bounce it off her.

00:34:13.976 --> 00:34:16.858
She'll tell you what it is, if it is what it is or not.

00:34:16.858 --> 00:34:20.679
And I was like that's a great idea, not the thing that I was expecting.

00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.661
I was expecting here's a doctor, call him.

00:34:23.661 --> 00:34:24.782
Never call me again.

00:34:24.862 --> 00:34:25.543
Have a nice life.

00:34:30.025 --> 00:34:36.614
But no, that's not because this was my soulmate and she knew better and she knew exactly how to handle the situation, and so I met with her, I met with the medium.

00:34:39.208 --> 00:34:48.371
What a story I mean seriously and, like you said, to meet your wife and the acceptance of it, and it is exactly where you needed to be.

00:34:48.391 --> 00:35:04.039
The universe put you where you were supposed to be, and her too, because she needed that information that I gave her, and as soon as I told her too, because, like this, all she needed that information that I gave her, and as soon as I told her that he was gone which is one of the things I didn't understand yet, right?

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:10.514
So when I do meet with the medium, we talk about this and I explain.

00:35:10.514 --> 00:35:12.860
You know, I introduced myself Hi, I'm Ray.

00:35:12.860 --> 00:35:15.041
And she goes oh, you're that way.

00:35:17.487 --> 00:35:19.831
Oh, now I'm Ray and she goes.

00:35:19.851 --> 00:35:24.224
Oh, you're that way and she goes what brings you here today, ray?

00:35:24.224 --> 00:35:27.110
And I said I'm absolutely crazy.

00:35:27.791 --> 00:35:29.313
Really Me too.

00:35:32.097 --> 00:35:32.958
She goes, what happens?

00:35:32.958 --> 00:35:34.606
I said I see people that aren't really there.

00:35:34.606 --> 00:35:36.148
She said really Me too.

00:35:36.148 --> 00:35:40.833
There's more of us Right right and I was like so you're nuts too.

00:35:40.833 --> 00:35:42.835
She goes absolutely have a seat, let's talk.

00:35:42.835 --> 00:35:44.376
And she goes, tell me what happens.

00:35:44.376 --> 00:35:53.813
And I told her vibrations and the lines and the thing and the movie screen, blah, blah, blah and she goes too.

00:35:53.813 --> 00:35:58.507
She goes in fact that's the way most of us see it and I'm like see what?

00:35:59.748 --> 00:36:01.632
Dead people.

00:36:01.632 --> 00:36:03.697
She didn't say dead people but spirit.

00:36:03.858 --> 00:36:04.418
She said spirit.

00:36:04.465 --> 00:36:07.286
Spirit, yeah, energy beans Right.

00:36:07.507 --> 00:36:10.014
I call them energy beans Right right, right yeah.

00:36:10.706 --> 00:36:17.385
So she takes me under her wing for the first year of me going through this and she didn't even teach anymore.

00:36:17.385 --> 00:36:36.318
She had no intention of teaching anymore, but she saw this guy that was a mess and she confided in me that when she was very young, that her parents had her committed as a schizophrenic and I was like, oh my god, I just met somebody who understands me and I just hugged her.

00:36:36.318 --> 00:36:46.427
I was overwhelmed that after I think I was 46 years old or something like that I finally found somebody who didn't see me as crazy.

00:36:46.427 --> 00:37:02.130
And not only that, but she understood me and she went through a lot of the same things that I did and we bonded in that moment and, thank God, she really took to me and because she saved my life without question she saved my life.

00:37:03.313 --> 00:37:04.275
It's such God.

00:37:04.275 --> 00:37:16.489
It's just such a beautiful story and I'm so inspired by it because I think a lot of us can be sensitive to energies and we tend to block it because it can be scary.

00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:17.893
It can be.

00:37:17.893 --> 00:37:19.777
You know what is going on.

00:37:19.777 --> 00:37:20.585
Am I crazy?

00:37:20.585 --> 00:37:23.311
Like you said, I know for myself.

00:37:23.311 --> 00:37:25.016
I put boundaries up.

00:37:25.016 --> 00:37:30.094
I tell the universe and the energies out there all the time you're welcome here, no negative energies.

00:37:30.094 --> 00:37:35.277
You know we're protected, but don't do anything scary and don't scare the shit out of my family.

00:37:35.565 --> 00:37:41.277
Do not scare my wife, because I will kill you Silly me.

00:37:41.597 --> 00:37:42.398
That really happened.

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We were in a hotel room.

00:37:43.811 --> 00:37:57.353
There was like 12 of us that got together and we were studying mediumship and my mentor at the time she was running the show and so to speak and we all went down there and when we got back we were just wiped out.

00:37:57.353 --> 00:38:18.853
We worked from like I don't know it was very early in the morning to pretty late in the evening and we did so many different exercises and I was just exhausted and I just laid down and my wife was there too, the whole time through everything and she's almost falling asleep and I'm like the room is filled and she's like she doesn't flinch anymore.

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At this point she's almost falling asleep and I'm like the room is filled and she's like she doesn't flinch anymore.

00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.282
At this point she's like what are you going to do?

00:38:23.282 --> 00:38:29.695
I said I'm going to go to sleep and I closed my eyes and I went into a little brief meditation.

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I'm like, guys, listen, I'm exhausted, get out of my room.

00:38:31.244 --> 00:38:50.166
And one of them touched my leg and I don't want to freak anybody out here, but you, mother, I just jumped out of bed, didn't lose my anger yet I'm still you know, that's exactly what I said.

00:38:50.346 --> 00:38:53.588
I will kill you, I will, and she's like honey uh that's not going to scare him.

00:38:53.588 --> 00:38:55.590
You got to come up with something better than that.

00:38:55.590 --> 00:39:00.235
Something else, yeah, and so I said the worst thing I will never help you.

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That's what I said.

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I will never help you If you scare me, my wife, my kids or anything like that.

00:39:05.518 --> 00:39:09.422
You will never get my help and, ultimately, that's what they want.

00:39:09.422 --> 00:39:16.963
They want you to pass a message to somebody else and when you pass the message, they're gone.

00:39:17.043 --> 00:39:20.148
Yeah, you know they don't even stay your friend anymore.

00:39:20.148 --> 00:39:20.570
I'm out of here.

00:39:20.570 --> 00:39:20.829
Peace out.

00:39:20.829 --> 00:39:25.204
Yeah, Do you still consider yourself an atheist after coming?

00:39:25.204 --> 00:39:29.355
To jail no no no, no, no, no no.

00:39:29.596 --> 00:39:30.117
That's gone.

00:39:30.184 --> 00:39:32.893
So do you consider yourself spiritual, do you?

00:39:32.893 --> 00:39:33.695
I mean yeah.

00:39:34.304 --> 00:39:37.431
Yeah, I mean I don't subscribe to any particular religion.

00:39:37.431 --> 00:39:39.918
I think they're all.

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They have their good stuff and their bad stuff and you know, and they've morphed into things over years, you know.

00:39:46.547 --> 00:39:53.746
So there's a lot of fallacy in there and it's not cool to draw people into something like that.

00:39:53.746 --> 00:40:03.097
But overall I'm spiritual, I recognize there's an afterlife and I can you know I don't know everything about it, but you know, I know a pretty good amount.

00:40:03.097 --> 00:40:14.356
After that had occurred when I met my first mentor, the first year with her came to an end and it's my birthday again and my wife says what do you want to do for your birthday?

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And she goes why don't we go away?

00:40:15.027 --> 00:40:15.630
I said, yeah, that sounds great.

00:40:15.630 --> 00:40:16.635
She goes what do you want to do for your birthday?

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And she goes why don't we go away?

00:40:17.318 --> 00:40:17.940
I said, yeah, that sounds great.

00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:18.625
She goes what do you want to do?

00:40:18.625 --> 00:40:21.715
An island or Florida, a beach or something?

00:40:21.715 --> 00:40:24.333
I was like, no, I want trees.

00:40:24.333 --> 00:40:27.494
I want, like, trees and a tent and an outhouse.

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And she's like great.

00:40:30.811 --> 00:40:32.902
Okay, you sound like a vacation to me.

00:40:33.184 --> 00:40:34.592
I've created a monster.

00:40:38.585 --> 00:40:39.045
And that's what we did.

00:40:39.045 --> 00:40:41.733
We got a cabin in the middle of nowhere and we just meditated the whole weekend.

00:40:41.733 --> 00:40:50.057
And it was just because, you know, when you're in a city or you're in a crowded area and you know, energy is coming at you.

00:40:50.057 --> 00:40:52.637
It's coming at you from the dead, it's coming from the living.

00:40:52.637 --> 00:40:55.226
You can feel their emotions, you know.

00:40:55.226 --> 00:40:56.650
It's just.

00:40:56.650 --> 00:41:03.690
I just want to be with trees because they don't fluctuate, they're just very calm, very cool.

00:41:03.690 --> 00:41:08.559
Nothing really bothers them, and I just was attracted to that.

00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.387
So we spent the weekend there and while I was there, something crazy always has to happen on my birthday.

00:41:15.387 --> 00:41:23.936
So we're there and she pulls out an illustration Somebody had drawn a picture and she showed it to me and I said wow, that's your dad.

00:41:24.465 --> 00:41:25.791
And she goes yeah, I know.

00:41:25.791 --> 00:41:28.733
And I said but no, no, no, no, you don't understand.

00:41:28.733 --> 00:41:33.692
That's exactly the way I see him Like when he's in the movie screen.

00:41:33.692 --> 00:41:38.110
He's wearing that shirt, that's, his hair is like that, everything is perfect.

00:41:38.110 --> 00:41:38.932
That's him.

00:41:38.932 --> 00:41:40.865
That's the way I see him and she goes.

00:41:40.865 --> 00:41:48.206
Well, that makes sense, because a medium drew this no way, and that was further validation, right that?

00:41:48.206 --> 00:41:52.452
What I was seeing was the same thing as this man and he's a spirit artist, he could draw.

00:41:52.452 --> 00:42:02.945
I was like, wow, I wish I could do that, you, he could draw.

00:42:02.945 --> 00:42:04.831
I was like, wow, I wish I could do that, I could literally show you the person I'm seeing.

00:42:04.853 --> 00:42:05.454
And I said, who is this man?

00:42:05.454 --> 00:42:05.896
I have to find him.

00:42:05.896 --> 00:42:06.297
We have to find him.

00:42:06.297 --> 00:42:07.059
And we looked him up on the computer.

00:42:07.059 --> 00:42:10.449
We found his website and it said now accepting students for a two-year mentorship program.

00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:13.755
You have to apply by February 15th.

00:42:13.755 --> 00:42:20.568
That's my birthday, so the deadline to apply is my birthday, and that's the weekend that we're there.

00:42:21.170 --> 00:42:23.677
She's like are you going to apply?

00:42:23.677 --> 00:42:24.358
I said, what?

00:42:24.358 --> 00:42:29.512
So you fill out this application?

00:42:29.512 --> 00:42:36.717
And that's like not even the beginning, because then you get the real application and it's like a hundred pages of essay questions and how does that happen?

00:42:36.717 --> 00:42:39.072
How do you differentiate between this and that?

00:42:39.072 --> 00:42:39.934
And blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:39.934 --> 00:42:47.068
It's very detailed and, um, I'm just doing my best with it because I've only had a year of training and you know.

00:42:47.068 --> 00:42:52.708
But the idea, oh, and then there's an interview and then, after the interview, you get another application.

00:42:52.708 --> 00:42:57.056
So to be in the mentorship is not like being in a regular class.

00:42:57.056 --> 00:43:02.496
It's for just people that he knows that you're legit.

00:43:02.496 --> 00:43:10.559
And it's not that the other people aren't legit, it's just that they're not as far along in their learning process, let's say so.

00:43:11.161 --> 00:43:16.036
I submitted my application finally, went through the interview, did everything, and I didn't hear anything at all.

00:43:16.036 --> 00:43:18.512
Finally went through the interview, did everything and I didn't hear anything at all.

00:43:18.512 --> 00:43:21.945
And now I'm back to square one, doubting myself, going, wow, maybe I just got lucky, you know.

00:43:21.945 --> 00:43:24.351
Maybe I just, who knows, maybe I dreamt that.

00:43:24.351 --> 00:43:26.436
I don't know, you know, I'm just doubting myself.

00:43:26.436 --> 00:43:29.710
In instantly, my ego just comes right in and rips me apart.

00:43:30.751 --> 00:43:39.954
And, um, so I called his assistant just to find out that I didn't get in Right, and this program was two years, right, and it was a few thousand dollars.

00:43:39.954 --> 00:43:45.128
It wasn't, you know, you had full 24, seven access to to a mentor.

00:43:45.128 --> 00:43:50.177
And so I called and she said um, I said I just wanted to confirm that.

00:43:50.177 --> 00:43:52.347
You know, I didn't get it, I wasn't accepted.

00:43:52.347 --> 00:43:55.431
And she goes oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't finalize it yet.

00:43:55.431 --> 00:43:59.356
There's hundreds of applications and hundreds of people he has to speak to.

00:43:59.356 --> 00:44:02.960
I was like, okay, wow, thank you.

00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:14.208
And now this gives you a glimpse into this person, because you have several thousand dollars times a couple hundred people.

00:44:14.208 --> 00:44:21.088
Okay, he could have just taken everybody into the program, said, yep, you're all real, come right in.

00:44:21.088 --> 00:44:24.416
There were 11 of us and I was the 11th.

00:44:25.367 --> 00:44:26.170
Oh, 11.

00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:28.989
Yeah 11.

00:44:29.128 --> 00:44:31.012
Eventually it was, I think it was 13 or 14.

00:44:31.012 --> 00:44:42.206
A couple more people came in like week two, came in like week two, week three, but that was it.

00:44:42.206 --> 00:44:42.867
So he let all that money go.

00:44:42.867 --> 00:44:43.969
That's integrity.

00:44:43.969 --> 00:44:50.480
And I'm like I'm never leaving this guy and to this day he's still my guy and, um, he's my go-to.

00:44:51.306 --> 00:44:51.427
I.

00:44:51.427 --> 00:45:04.139
I mentor with other people, but he's always like the prime person and he taught us so much about not just mediumship but spirituality, so many other things and how the universe works.

00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:11.347
And then I'm the kind of person that I just get obsessed and I have to learn everything I could possibly learn.

00:45:11.347 --> 00:45:15.360
So I went back to college for metaphysics and I did the whole program.

00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.338
I did a bachelor's and then I did a master's and now I'm doing my PhD in metaphysics and I love it.

00:45:22.659 --> 00:45:28.592
And then I sought out other mentors who were specific in energy work and other things.

00:45:28.592 --> 00:45:39.690
So I just started putting these things together and I also studied physics, because remember the first energy healer that I told you about, that did the clearing.

00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:48.829
She said you need to get back to astronomy and I was like when I was a kid I loved the planets, I loved the universe, I loved everything about it.

00:45:48.829 --> 00:46:17.835
And going down that path led me down a path of physics and learning about energy frequency and vibration, and I studied Einstein and Tesla and Niels Bohr and Heisenberg and I started learning about how they figured out they really figured out how the universe works, and you could take spiritual concepts and apply them to quantum physics and you get the answer this is how this works.

00:46:17.976 --> 00:46:22.813
It's not woo-woo, and that's the entire second book is showing.

00:46:22.813 --> 00:46:23.916
It's not woo-woo.

00:46:23.916 --> 00:46:36.876
So I give you the concept, I tell you how I use the concept and then I tell you what's behind the curtain, how Einstein and Tesla figured this out long before we did.

00:46:36.876 --> 00:46:46.574
Tesla said you're going to have a device in your pocket that you can send information to the other side of the world in a half a second, and it will be so small to fit in the size of your pocket.

00:46:46.594 --> 00:46:47.760
That was 1901.

00:46:48.121 --> 00:46:48.664
And here we are.

00:46:48.664 --> 00:46:50.251
Yeah, that's the phone, right, yeah.

00:46:50.784 --> 00:46:59.092
And he was a clairvoyant or a psychic inventor and that's why he died poor, because he didn't have any blueprints.

00:46:59.092 --> 00:47:01.945
When they wanted to buy the patents from him, they're like, well, where's your blueprints?

00:47:01.945 --> 00:47:06.496
He goes blueprints, I just think about it and I make it and they're like you're nuts.

00:47:06.496 --> 00:47:09.106
And I was like, oh, another one.

00:47:09.106 --> 00:47:09.887
They think that's nuts.

00:47:09.887 --> 00:47:19.197
So he didn't have the patents, so people would steal his stuff and he felt like everything should be given away for free anyway and he died.

00:47:19.197 --> 00:47:25.349
Westinghouse was kind enough to give him a apartment until he died, which was in a hotel.

00:47:25.349 --> 00:47:28.556
Because he felt bad for him, he bought his final patent from him.

00:47:29.764 --> 00:47:46.007
I was just going to say I am just so fascinated with your stories and everything where you've been and what you've experienced, and I mean we could seriously talk here for another hour and I'm just so grateful for you to be on the show today.

00:47:46.007 --> 00:47:51.666
Is there any kind of message or life lesson that you want to leave with our listeners?

00:47:51.666 --> 00:47:57.925
And just a reminder he's got two great books out there on Audible and for purchase, you know.

00:47:57.925 --> 00:47:58.990
Please look them up.

00:47:58.990 --> 00:48:00.751
We've all been exploring them ourselves.

00:48:00.751 --> 00:48:04.675
So is there anything you'd like to leave our listeners with?

00:48:05.155 --> 00:48:10.277
Wow, there's so, so many things, but just one, just kidding.

00:48:11.164 --> 00:48:13.634
Let me ask my wife, because she answers these questions.

00:48:15.706 --> 00:48:16.550
She gets better advice.

00:48:16.550 --> 00:48:21.846
She gets better advice.

00:48:21.846 --> 00:48:23.210
No, I mean the one thing that I learned that was most important.

00:48:23.210 --> 00:48:26.018
After all was said and done, I learned that I'm in control of my own life.

00:48:26.018 --> 00:48:31.550
I am one with the creator and I can create my own life.

00:48:31.550 --> 00:48:37.038
I can create happiness and I have a better understanding of what that is.

00:48:37.038 --> 00:48:39.481
And it's not bliss and it's not.

00:48:39.481 --> 00:48:44.052
It's being okay when you're not okay.

00:48:44.052 --> 00:48:50.806
And creating from that perspective is not about the fancy cars, it's not about the fancy houses.

00:48:50.806 --> 00:48:57.657
It's simply about being and just enjoying every moment of life.

00:48:57.657 --> 00:49:07.157
That's just going to be bad, because it's pretty damn good actually, but enjoy this and create and help others with that creation.

00:49:07.157 --> 00:49:24.458
Every day I try to do one thing for somebody else and I try to do one thing for myself, because self-care is important and helping somebody else and doing that over and over creates a positive karmic cycle and you'll get back what you put out.

00:49:24.458 --> 00:49:34.650
So be kind to others and other humans and animals, everything, because it'll come back to you and I think that's most important.

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I love it.

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Thank you guys.

00:49:36.096 --> 00:49:40.492
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